Welcome to the ENT! Our guest today is kind of a big deal. Dr. Richard Rosello is the Chief Vision Officer for Regenerative Medicine Institute, a longevity and stem cell research institute and clinic. He has a PhD from University of Michigan and undergrad from MIT. He is the former governor of Puerto Rico. He is passionate about holistic healthcare. As a quick reminder, the Expert Network Team provides free consultations. We would love the opportunity to be of service to you or someone you care about. Just scroll the liner notes to contact one of our experts or today’s guest. And please share this podcast with anyone who you think might find it interesting. As always, it is good to have an expert on your side.
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Welcome to today's podcast. I am Nathan Merrill with Goodspeed Merrill, and I'm here with Karl Frank of A& I Wealth Management. We are without our third leg, Jeff Kromendyke today. Unfortunately he will not be with us, but I'm really excited to introduce our guest today. My first introduction to this guest was about a year ago, but today we have Ricardo Rosello with us and he is actually the former governor of Puerto Rico and we may get into that at some point in the podcast and tell that story, but he's also a PhD student.
And I can't remember exactly what in Ricardo, but I'll let you give some of your history, but he runs a business or his chief vision officer for a business that deals in regenerative medicine and specifically stem cells. And I was privileged to be part of a group that heard his presentation about a year ago and my mind and my attitude at some level towards longevity Paradigm shifted to a massive degree.
So my hope is that our listeners, as you hear this, and as you understand some of the things that he was explaining to us, you will find yourself maybe shifting your view of your life and your longevity as well, but welcome Ricardo. Thank you for taking the time with us today. Thank you, Karl. Thank you, Nate.
Thank you for the opportunity. Excited to be here. Yeah. So why don't you just kick us off? I did not a very good justice to your background in terms of that brief introduction. But why don't you introduce yourself, your background and what got you into whatever it is you're doing?
Absolutely. I'll tell the short version. I'm sure we're gonna dive into some of the aspects, but I'm I'm a scientist by trait. For the most part, I went into that field because I was running away from politics as a child. I was very much entrenched in that world. And I became a bioengineer and a neuroscientist.
I worked with stem cells along the way very early on and with what's called reprogramming of stem cells, which I'm sure we'll touch upon. And then at some point along the line I bumped my head lost probably 40 IQ points and got into politics. And, lo and behold, a young with a lot of a lot of moxie and a lot of not naivete I ran I, I won and, to, to my prize for winning was coming into a situation with a severe fiscal collapse.
After starting to straighten that out probably the largest, most devastating hurricane in the modern history of the United States. And then some very challenging social social resistance that I had to deal with as well. Afterwards when I stepped out of office looked back again into the field that I loved and that I started with.
And lo and behold, a lot of the things that, that I was working on the wet lab with pipette and mice and so forth were starting to emerge now. As real treatments for patients. And so I was lucky to get involved with some visionary scientists and physicians in Costa Rica. And from there, the last 33 and a half years, we've been working on developing treatments for longevity and for the collateral damages of longevity as well as, looking into the future.
Some disease models as well. I love it. And just for the credentialing, because I think this is pretty significant. You got your PhD in bioengineering and biotechnology from the University of Michigan. Last time I checked, that's a pretty good institution. And then you're you did some postdoctoral studies at Duke.
Where did you do your undergraduate or does that even matter? In M. I. T. Oh M. I. T. Just M. I. T. So pretty substantial background. I can't wait. And I'd love to talk the history and some of those fun stories. at another podcast. I'm really interested in longevity and healthspan. These are phrases that are thrown around and maybe it's just a great place to begin.
What does that even mean? What is a healthspan and what do you mean by longevity and how does stem cell, whatever a stem cell is, how does that help us? Those are great question, Carl, because I think there's, it's still a young field and there's still a variety of definitions and goalposts, if you will, but I'll give you my best shot at both of them and and discuss a little bit of how I think it's changed, longevity is intuitive for all of us, and it's been intuitive for, for eons, right?
I mean it was alexander that searched for the fountain of youth and died trying it was ponza de leon who also happened to be the first governor of puerto rico who Went to florida and tried to search for it and many others but it was A mystical, a mythical search for this thing that would give us longevity or even immortality.
Longevity is how long can you live? Health span is how good are those years within that span that you're living and quality years. And there's an important distinction for two reasons. One, in the past 60 years, evidence has shown that we've essentially added 19 years to our lives, which is great.
If you take vaccines, statins, all of the drugs that are coming on, a lot of, in the low side of the early deaths that would happen, now they don't occur, so that increases the longevity, and that's great news. Now, the bad news is that we spend about 10 of those years dying. And this is really what's at core at what we're trying to deal with.
I know you will hear a lot of podcasts and a lot of folks trying to reach, 200 years and immortality and so forth. And that's fine. I'm not stopping that search, but I think where we're at right now is at an intersection. Where we can not only extend life if the average life is anywhere from 78 to 80 years old, we can reasonably with the studies that we've seen, extend that to over a hundred comfortably.
But not only that, I think the important thing is that at that age, when you're 95, when you're 98 you're not stuck in a bed. You're not your cognition is there. Your motor skill is there. And then when it's time to go, it's time to go. So that's where we're at.
We're trying to push the effort to to a point where you can live your best life, you can live longer. And then maybe who knows other brilliant scientists might come along the way and keep on extending that, those goalposts to to allow us to live a little bit longer.
Another area that I've been doing a lot of personal research lately and you don't know this, but Carl's a certified yoga instructor. So he's working on, some of the health elements that, that high into all this. One of the things I've been studying a lot of is obviously nutrition and diet.
And the things that we are consuming and how that affects our longevity. And then Carl with, yoga, meditation, the mind, all that sort of stuff. I don't assume that anything you've determined based on your research and the medicine that you're in would suggest that you can still live your trashy life.
You can be a couch potato and eat bad stuff and do my thing. And I'm going to be able to get you to a hundred, correct. That's absolutely correct. And, a few thoughts. Number one, longevity is like a puzzle, at least the way I see it. There, there's five core things or four core things that that I envision and our team envisions.
The first one is mindset. And that ties really nicely to what Carl is doing. The first thing is thinking you can do this, right? And then having some some exercises and some work done internally. That, that will allow you to achieve that. I was and I'm guilty of this, at one point I was one of the people that thought that doing yoga or breathing exercises was nonsense.
Boy, was I wrong. All of the evidence, scientific evidence, demonstrate that the indicators and the parameters that we use to measure aging they get reversed when you're when you have, when you either do yoga, breathing exercises and so forth. So that first piece. Is fundamental.
If you don't think you can have a better health span, then, don't even try it. The second piece is what you're talking about. Nate is the lifestyle now between the mindset and the lifestyle today. I would say it's 85 percent of the battle, right? Anything that I talk about it's on the tip of the iceberg.
But lifestyle is critical. Sleeping nutrition little hacks like drinking water, which we forget, but it's meaningful. Not doing the bad stuff, right? Reducing sugar eliminating smoking. Cold plunging sauna. Those are the two things I'm picking up.
Yeah. And they're great. It's shocking, but something, you can speak about your experience, but cold plunge to me I'm doing it. And not only is it a helpful element in longevity but you feel the kick. Instantly, right? You feel something, you got to put it back immediately where some of the other tricks that you use for longevity might, might be hidden.
So those are the first two pieces. And then the last two pieces that I would say that are going to be growing but today probably represent. 15 percent of the equation is, personalized and sort of precision medicine and evaluating tricks, and so forth.
And the other part is regenerative medicine. So when we now have a a plethora of different ways to measure our aging our inflammation levels, we can find fine tune, we can measure our, certain key indicators on the daily with our heart rate variability and so forth and all of these indicators can help us Try to hone in, and see what pieces are missing so that we can make changes in the lifestyle, make changes in the mindset, and even look for other alternative, ah, medicines, whether they be hormones, or supplements, or something to that effect, to mitigate some of the limitations that we have.
I mean in my case for example I felt great. This was about two years ago, but I still had a little bit of a lag in energy and one of our functional medical doctors in in Costa Rica did a whole deep dive on everything that I had. And it turns out that I was a little bit deficient on iron.
And supplement of iron. Got a little infusion of ferritin. And what do you know? You see the impact pretty quickly. So some things are longer term. Some things are immediate. But to your point, this is a puzzle. And today, if there's anything you take out of this is that you are in control of at least 85 percent of this piece today.
You introduced a word, a phrase that I wanted to delve in a little bit because I want to know So maybe this will come out in our conversation about how does one get involved in. How does a patient approach regenerative medicine and stem cell, but you mentioned functional doctor or functional medical provider and perhaps explain if you can the difference between a functional doctor and one that is, is your traditional medical primary care physician or whatever, because as I understand it, just to probably lead into this.
Most people go to the doctor when they're broken and the doctor fixes them. If you go to the doctor when you're okay, doctor is going to say, you're okay. Don't come back until you're broken. But functional medicine, as I understand, is going to the doctor when you're okay and saying, help me be better.
Yeah, that's right. That's absolutely right. And, you gave a recovering politician a microphone. So I'm going to speak when our parents and when we were children, we used to have a a family doctor, somebody that, that we would see that would come and check us ever so often that would take a look at us and about 90 to 95 percent of the time, just by looking at us would know what was wrong.
And sometimes he wasn't right, but it was pretty, pretty darn accurate. Fast forward as science evolved, it is my impression and my observation that medical professionals got very specialized. And this is good in, in some respects but it hinders that, that sort of family doctor mentality where you get to treat the person, you get to treat it's holistic.
Even though it wasn't very scientific at that point. Fast forward about 30 years and you have all these great medical doctors that are very specialized, and I just want to take my son to a urologist that's, very like the very best for Like kids of a certain age and for very specific things.
And that's all he does and it's great because if you have that, then you're in the best possible hands. But the downside to that is that there's so much information out there, so much science, so much healthcare information that we need to pull it back and take a look at it as a whole.
And I think a lot of people have been trying to regroup that. And in my view. Functional medical doctors are essentially the family physician version 2. 0. They are people that are there for you all the time, that will get to establish a relationship, but that will have all of these tools of science that they didn't have in the past, that will get notifications in the future if your HRV goes down or if you're not sleeping or, if your blood work is bad and so forth, and they will be able to respond in real time before something, something happens.
And furthermore. Because of the precision medicine and some of the ways to measure it, we can now detect, we can now not only look for, as you said, Nate not only when things go wrong, but when we want to get things at an optimal level. And here's an example that everybody will relate.
When when you get a blood work done you probably are within the range for most things. Maybe you're off one or two and that's fine. But that doesn't mean you're optimal. And, it the current medical establishment and system is not designed to to make you get to that optimal level, and I think these, what concierge doctors or functional medicine doctors are trying to do is, it's not just good enough that, that you Ricky are within the range.
We want to get you to the best optimal range so that you can function and knowing your goals and so forth. And by tracking you and knowing you and establishing a relationship we can hash that out for the long run. I love it. That sounds to me like the way the medicine ought to be.
You're right. That reminds me of the way you grew up, right? You had a family doctor and he knew you, but that was small town and it was small town in Puerto Rico as well, small mountain town, Colorado and small town where you grew up. So your company is really interesting to me and I love the idea that 85 percent is in our control and we can do that, but tell me about the 15 percent or whatever percentage it is.
What is a stem cell and how could that help? What are you doing? This is great. I'm I'm obsessed with stem cells. I was, when I was in, in college I was taking a class with a very famous professor. His name is Robert Langer. Bob Langer has more patents than probably all but seven countries in the world.
And he's, he's, he rushes into the room, you can see all his hair. Mezzi, great heart, but brilliant mind as well. And I remember one of the classes, it says, I'm going to introduce you to a resource that that can be infinite and can generate any sorts of tissue, right? And I was immediately captivated and that's essentially, the definition with stem cells have the potential ourselves that have the potential to develop into all.
Many or some cells within your body, and this is a clear distinction because because of that broad spectrum of the definition, there are very different stem cells, and I sometimes wonder if we should have called them something differently. What typically comes to mind when people think of stem cell is an embryonic stem cell, and I'll define that first.
When the egg fertilizes the sperm fertilizes the egg. We are turned into one cell that subdivides into 160 identical cells. Those 160 identical cells are what makes us, right? So if you reverse engineer it, it means that from that, those cells, we can make every tissue in the body because they are all identical.
That's where cloning would come from if we were able to do it. That's right. That's right. Those cells would, are the ones that get manipulated, when with mice and with Dolly and all of the stories. That's the part. So So, stem cells got a little bit of a bad rap early on in, in the in the two thousands, just because folks were using these embryonic stem cells that were so potential for therapeutic solutions.
And the downside was that because the embryonic stem cells are so powerful, once you put them to do something, they could literally turn into something. So to, into anything. So you have. Horror stories of people injecting stem cells to enhance their skin, and then bone grows out of it and so forth.
So that's one side of it. The other side is the moral side of it. There's I was gonna say, there's a moral hazard of people just creating embryos for the purpose of, of harvesting embryonic stem cells. That's what I remember from 30 years ago. Yes, absolutely.
And, and the question of where does life begin and so forth. And that's, that's a topic for a whole other podcast but from our perspective, we don't use those cells, right? Just because there's, again, they're very powerful. They but we don't know how to control them and they have all of these limitations.
The next level of cells those cells are called pluripotent, right? When you say embryonic, you say pluripotent stem cells. Just if you guys hear the buzzword, then that's what it means. It means you can turn. Every, you can turn into any tissue of the body. Now after those 160 cells, we start developing the embryo we start becoming into different types of tissues and those tissues now store little stem cells that are a little bit more differentiated and can turn into some of the tissues, right?
And here's why, and here's why this is important. This is the reason why if, I fall down now and get an injury, I'll be able to recover eventually. Because our stem cells, when something happens, insult or injury, or when we get sick, our immune system reacts. These cells rush in there, they start healing.
And furthermore, for the purpose of this conversation, it's also the reason why if my son hits the wall, he'll cry for five minutes, but then he'll be okay. If I hit the wall, it'll take me about a week to recover. And if my dad hits the wall, then, probably have to take him to the hospital right?
So that's the other part point of it. They're very powerful. But as we age, we start losing those stem cells. That's one of the reasons why we age and why we get so frail as we age. So adult stem cells are the ones that we focus on. We either use our own adult stem cells. Or we use umbilical cord stem cells.
Now why these umbilical cord stem cells and why are they different even though they sound like embryonic stem cells? Very different. Umbilical cord stem cells are adult stem cells already. They are generated when a child is born. The the umbilical cord gets extracted. You can get some of these cells that are highly regenerative.
And here is the beauty of it. Different to, my own cells or your own cells, they don't have the receptors that would provoke a rejection from somebody else's body. For example, adult stem cells stem cells have been used for a while now. They've just the more common theme has been for leuc, leucemia.
When we were young very young leucemia was a 95 to 98 percent probability that you were not going to make it. Now it's turned quite the opposite and it's because you're able to make a bone marrow transplant. Now, those barrel bone marrow transplants, what you're doing essentially is.
Substituting cells that have cancer and then and those stem cells and then putting new ones in. For that to happen, you need to have a match, right? You need to have a matching donor and so forth. And that can be done and it's great, but it is a little bit more laborious. Whereas umbilical cord stem cells, for some of the purposes that we use for regenerative medicine you don't need to be a match.
We can take them off the shelf. You just need to come to the office, get the infusion or the different operations and procedures that we have and and you'll get a lot of the benefit from them. So those are, that's in a nutshell, and then you can have some other cells downstream of that but that's in a nutshell, the the stem cell story. I'm just going to keep you on the stem cells for a second. So we have those embryonic stem cells. We have the cord blood or cord and beyond. What you got? Umbilical, cord stem cells. And maybe I missed the but you were, you close the loop on this.
Do I have stem cells that I can harvest from myself now? Where would I, how would I do that? And how does that done? Yes. So you do have stem cells. All three of us. And everybody does, but as we age, we lose that. Think about stem cells as a savings account and you just keep taking and so when you're born, you have 100 percent of your stem cells, some are born with more others with less, but as we age, we start taking from that savings account because our body starts evolving.
It's no surprise that, you know, by the time we're 18, where we've we've consumed about 60 percent of our stem cell stores, right? And then as you go to 40 and, you get to about 65, you only have about 5 percent of your stem cells. So they are finite. They are finite and they deplete.
And one, one of the one of the aspirations or one of the things that we do in the clinic is we extract. Your stem cells with the aspiration of giving them back to you at a future time. So they can incorporate again, what happens with the leucemia patient into your niches, but those are going to be younger stem cells, right?
Once you take out, let's say your 40 year old versions or your 30 year old version of the stem cells, those, and you freeze them, those are going to stay 30 year old, right? And maybe you get to 60. And then we start reinfusing those back to you. So that's one piece. There there's a, I don't I'm tempted not to go into a deep rabbit hole here, but there, there is this thing that I want to share about stem cells that happen and it has to do with longevity as well.
I think it is actually the watershed moment where people started paying attention to longevity. I remember being in, in Michigan in a basement lab doing my bone research when my advisor comes in 2006, opens the door and he just says they've done it. And we were all anticipating what was done or who was going to do it.
There was a race, but what they had done was he meant that a doctor, a scientist in Japan, his name is Shinji Yamanaka. He was able to take old cells. And by genetically manipulating them, he was able to reprogram those cells to turn them into the embryonic. Type of stem cell, so Oh, wow. Instead, another way he was able to turn the clock back, turn the clock, the staff reverse time.
All the way back. Wow. I've just mentioned that because that, that opened up a lot of sin. J Jamaka won the Noble prize. There's a lot of things, there's still a lot of research there but here's the point of where we, where our little corner of this discussion is, if I took my father to to RMI and I extracted his cells. My father's 79. Giving those 79 cell your old cells back to him make, makes no sense. And that's just a reality. And we tell patients, right? If you're of a certain age, it doesn't make sense to give you these sales back. But what I do want is I have the expectation that at some point in the future, maybe it's five, maybe it's seven years down the road.
We'll be able to use the same thing Sinjay Yamanaka did for and turning the clock back all the way back to the cells, but taking those stem cells, my father's stem cells, and perhaps turning the clock back to their 30 or 20 year old version. Now that's, that's a sweet spot right there, and if you're able to reintegrate those cells into a patient in theory, and again there's a long way to go over here, but in theory, the idea is that you would be able to replenish your regenerative system on a continuous basis.
That sounds science fiction to me. That sounds a lot of this stuff is a lot of this stuff, and look, this is stuff we're doing now, but what's in the pipeline, Carl, it's just it's freaky how much, how much it's going to happen and how quick I believe, a lot of my colleagues in the space have a saying that's Don't die in the next 10 years, right?
And you can poke holes into it but there, there's a lot of truth into it. It said, they're saying is, Hey, if you figure out a way to live and have a quality life, right? You don't want to just get there, but have a quality of life for the next 10 years. The tools that we're going to have in 10 years are going to be so astronomically better than what we have right now that you're just going to be, God knows how long you're going to be able to extend your life and in a quality way.
So a couple of things I want to before we tie this one up with the bow is discuss What is it that stem cells do? So we've talked about stem cells but when we talk about stem cell treatment, which is what I want to spend the second podcast talking about is what are you doing?
What are you doing with stem cells? But tell me more about what stem cells actually do as part of. A treatment regimen. And then going back to your father, cause since you brought him up, I'm going to bring him up again. I think you had told a story when you presented like about his biological age or something had ticked back.
So maybe that will be a nice teaser for when we take it to the next podcast is telling his story to close this out. Okay, so you want me to tell that story now? No, tell us what stem cells do as a treatment, and then maybe use him as an example, and then we'll get into, like, how you actually do it all in the next podcast.
Yep, so stem cells are just one tool. We use many in the clinic, and I'll happily join in, but essentially, The best way I envision stem cells is they're like a very effective emergency response team that in a city and essentially they're very flexible. And so whenever something happens within the city, they just go they see the situation, they assess, and they correct, right?
So putting either your own stem cells, so that you can refurbish your own regenerative system, or, a temporary fix with umbilical cord stem cells, what they do is, they just, it's like a homing device that goes all across your body starts releasing You know, great factors for great growth factors, identifies areas of problems, boost your immune system and promotes regeneration of your own body, right?
So it is a Swiss army knife. In the regenerative space where they can just essentially do all of these things and they and they are attracted to it, right? Let's just if I fall now and I have a scarf a scar, the stem, there will be signals from that injury that will go to where my stem cells are stored in the niches.
And those stem cells are going to essentially make an identical copy of themselves. They're going to provide the necessary cells to go to the site of injury and then provoke the regenerative process. So think about it as that. It is just a way. That, that modern nature created to, to regenerate and restore your system.
And, we humans have an okay regenerative system, but you can see, you can see what happens to lizards and to starfish, for example where they can their regenerative prowess is amazing. So that's why we use them. And again I think this will go and I don't want to nerd out too much on this, but it is important to state that what happened after Yamanaka is it opened a lot of seriousness into the study of aging.
And one of the things that came out a couple of years after was a parametric evaluation of aging. There are nine to 12, depending on what you look hallmarks of aging and these hallmarks essentially when, you can, if you accelerate those hallmarks, you accelerate aging.
If you decelerate it, you decelerate aging. And the other prime key feature is that you can intervene with them, right? Stem cells interact with many of these hallmarks, whether it's epigenetics genetic damage, cell communication, a lot of these hallmarks to provide a sort of a reboot of your system so that you can start reducing the pace of aging and being having more longevity.
That's great. And you, you did some sort of a treatment with your dad. What was that? How did you, what did you do? So in, in Costa Rica, we have a great team of doctors. They are phenomenal. I'm happy to any of your viewers that, that wants to have a conversation I'm happy to have it.
with them. But we have a great team of doctors that essentially does a subset of procedures that are targeted in, in, I would say three concentric circles. The first one and our core is longevity. That's what drove us into providing the clinic. How can we use the science that we know? To provide people a better health spend and a better quality of life and more energy and the outcomes of that.
So that's, that was the first. Element of it and I can discuss all of the treatments that we do later on. The second circle is what we call the collateral damages of aging. Now, you could be feeling fine, but if your knee is broken and you can't move, eventually these things start to, to aggregate, right?
Aging is like Aging is a lot of small insults that eventually there's a last straw that breaks the camel's back. And as as you reduce sort of those insults or eliminate them, then you can start overcoming some of those some of those hurdles. But some folks have, have gotten to a point where they have knee problems.
So we use stem cells. and other treatments to treat muscle, musculoskeletal pains. It's not only knees it's all of the joints and we've had phenomenal results with that. We use them as well for skin aesthetics is a very important for a lot of our patients and we have a treatment for that.
We use them for sexual wellness both for male and female patients. And we were starting now a cognitive protocol that we tested in the past gotten good results but, we're very much focused on getting great results and we put it back to the research, getting better machines and so forth.
And, one of the challenges with cognition is that stem cells are big, so they don't really cross the blood brain barrier. But exosomes, which are a byproduct of stem cells, they're little vesicles. If you see a stem cell like something this big, exosomes are essentially like little vesicles that pop out of the stem cells that have a lot of the good stuff that the stem cells have, and you can channel those and laser guide them to specific areas of the brain.
And help with cognition. So those are the, that's the next layer. And then I would say the last layer, which we still are not offering to the public where we're still on research mode, but the next level would be, disease treatment. We have A, a protocol accessible to some for long covid.
We have, we're our team is working on one for multiple sclerosis as well. And little by little, we don't want to try to expand too much. Those are very complicated diseases but certainly tap, tap into that. So that's in a nutshell the areas that that we work on.
And then the story with your dad, I don't know if we want to lead in with that one in the next one, but my recollection was that you had done some work on him and he came back and his biological age had been compressed a little bit. Am I remembering that correctly? That's correct. My, my dad is he's my hero, right?
He's a phenomenal guy, phenomenal grandparent and has always been on top of his game, right? As he's he was 79 when he went there. He was he's not he's 80 now but you know There gets a point where you start noticing small a small, it wasn't too worrisome but small because he was so high energy.
He was a tennis champion. He, hiker doing all of these things. And I, we started noticing that he was, reducing his trips and doing We took him to Costa Rica and did a few of these things. I'm happy to discuss them in the next part, but stem cell infusions a thing that I highly recommend that doesn't have to do with stem cells, but it's called the therapeutic plasma exchange.
And a few other lifestyle changes, which are functional medical team told them to do. And so remember that I told you there was a precision medicine and way to evaluate labs and so forth now that we used to have in the past. Now you can measure your biological aging.
There, there's there's a way of doing that, and I can dive in deep into that in, in, in the next segment. But not only does the company have that, but they also have. a competition, a worldwide competition that's called the Rejuvenation Olympics. And you, the way it works is that you measure yourself before you do something, whether it's lifestyle or regenerative medicine or whatnot.
And then, period of time after about six months after you measure yourself again and see if there's any changes. And to my surprise, one day, our team always checked it because we had about four, four of the top 20 patients were from from our clinic and we checked it all along and then one day I checked it and my dad at 79 years old was number two on the list on being able to reverse his epigenetic and biological age and I could see it, that's the objective data.
But the qualitative data was that, he's strong, he's clear, he keeps, he's traveling more than ever he handles my kids better than I do. So all of these all of these things that, that you see objectively, you can also see qualitatively. That's a great story.
And if it doesn't capture the imagination and attention of everybody who hears this to actually listen to the next podcast to understand everything that's involved in that, then I don't know what will. I think that's a perfect place to end. Carl, do you have any closing thoughts before we I appreciate that, Ricky.
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